Tiffany: The yoga you teach is so unique and powerful even though on the outside it looks similar to what I learnt elsewhere. What is the trick?
张德芬:您所教授的瑜伽是如此独特和强大,尽管从外在看与我在别处学的很相似。秘诀在哪里?
Sadhguru: First thing is, there is no trick. The problem is in the transmission, the way it is transmitted. If I give you a flower, it is alive, full of life, you will have to care for it in a certain way. When I find you don’t know how to hold a flower... There are people like this, I give them a flower, they will grab it like this (Gestures). Those who don’t know what it is, they will grab it like this. Flower will die right there in their hands. So then, what to do? Then we will give you a plastic flower. Now, you have a piece of plastic which you think is flower. So this is what is happening to yoga. Without the subjectivity, just the instructions are going. So you have a stillbirth. Isn’t it better not to get pregnant than to have a stillbirth?
Sadhguru(萨古鲁):首先,没有秘诀。问题在于传输,传输它的方式。如果我给你一朵花,它是活的,充满生机,你得以某种方式照料它,当我发现你不知道如何拿一朵花时......有这样的人,我给他们一朵花,他们会像这样抓着(手势),那些不知道它为何物的人,他们会像这样抓着,花会立刻在他们手中死去。那么,怎么办呢?于是我们会给你一朵塑料花。现在你有一块儿塑料,你以为它是花,这就是发生在瑜伽上的事。没有主观性,只是给出指引,你会生个死胎,不怀孕难道不比生个死胎强么?
So if fitness is what you’re looking for, please go swim in the yellow river (Tiffany laughs), play tennis, climb a mountain, do something. For fitness, yoga definitely gives you fitness. Not just physical fitness, it gives you fitness on all levels. But that is not the reason why you practice it.
如果强健是你所寻求的,请去黄河游泳、打网球、爬山,做点什么。要强健——瑜伽肯定会给予你强健,不仅是身体上的强健,它会给予你各个层面的强健,但那不是你练习瑜伽的原因。
You practice yoga because you want to become one with everything. So in the transmission, there must be subjectivity. Right now, we have become slaves of objectivity. Because (Laughs), we are not using any other form of intelligence within us except the intellect. If you use only the intellect... Is it true that intellect is useful only if it’s sharp like a knife? You want a dull intellect or a sharp intellect?
你练习瑜伽是因为你想与万物合一。所以在传输时,必须有主观性。如今,我们已经变成了客观性的奴隶,因为我们没有使用自己内在任何其它形式的智慧,除了智力。如果你只使用智力......只有当智力像刀一样锋利时,它才有用,对吗?你想要迟钝的智力还是锋利的智力?
Tiffany: (Laughs) Sharp.
张德芬:锋利的。
Sadhguru: Sharp. So it’s a knife. Now you use a knife to stitch, you will only tear it further. Knife is not an appropriate instrument to stitch. If you want to stitch, you need something else. But now you’re using a knife to stitch, it’s not gonna work. So, yoga unfortunately is going through this phase around the world that only the physical aspect... A stillborn child is being delivered, It still looks like a baby of course, but it’s not alive, it’s not going to grow. If you have a plastic flower, it’s not going to blossom, isn’t it?
Sadhguru(萨古鲁):锋利的...所以它是一把刀,现在你用一把刀去缝合,你只会撕得更碎,刀不是适用于缝合的工具。如果你想要缝合,你需要别的东西。但现在你用刀去缝合,这是行不通的。所以,很不幸地,瑜伽在全世界都在经历这个阶段——只有身体层面,它变成了一个死胎,看起来当然还像个婴儿,但它不是活的,它不会长大。如果你有一朵塑料花,它不会开花,不是吗?
So this is not going to blossom. Maybe you will get abs if you stretch and turn enough, but you are strengthening the wall instead of opening the wall. How it is transmitted is vital, but how you receive it is also important, how you practice it is also important. Without bringing those dimensions into the process, if you just bring a bunch of instructions, then it becomes a very objectified yoga. With this, you may get physical fitness but that is like using an airplane like a bullock cart.
所以这不会开花。也许你会练出腹肌,如果你足够多地伸展和扭转。但你在加固围墙,而不是打开围墙。如何传输它至关重要,但你如何接收它同样重要,你如何练习它同样重要。不将这些维度带入到过程中,如果你只是带入一堆指引,它将变成一种非常客观化的瑜伽。经由它,你可能会获得身体上的强健,但那就像把飞机当牛车用。
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